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There were times that called for the use of ancient and powerful words, the acknowledgment of humans in a crisis everywhere and everywhen since language was first invented. This was one of them. "Shit." Aurora said.
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 Post subject: Florimel and The Terror
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:36 pm 
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"it was in Paris, a party, at a certain Monsieur Focault's. This was about three years before the Terror-"

That Flora would enjoy the parties of France is not surprising, but her reference to the Terror is notable. Three years beforehand, 1790: sometime close to the storming of the Bastille then, or to multiple other memorable events - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1790. Yet she references The Terror: 3 years later.

That wouldn't be surprising in someone without superpowers. But if she cared, why not prevent it? Or perhaps she caused it?

An Amberite hissy fit would of course explain everything; the nobility of Paris annoyed her, she arranged for their destruction, and the reference is because she is still pleased with herself. But there are less sociopathic possibilities.

If Flora was modifying the world to her amusement, then possibly the world 'pushed back'. As an example, the need to provide the best entertainments, jewels, wines and so forth would increase the massive debt that France suffered, and so enhanced the French Revolution. Flora might mention it because she felt some guilt over the destruction.

Worse (from her perspective) she may have truly have cared about the nobles she met there: cared enough that they all acquired Amber Devotee - a 6pt Ally. They are only -100pt characters, with no way of gaining Advancement Points. Every single one of them will therefore acquire 6pts of Bad Stuff: an insane amount for ordinary Shadow Dwellers! everything therefore goes horribly, horribly wrong for them, resulting in most of the dying - other than the handful she can save, of course.

You could argue that I'm applying game rules to a 'real' setting, and that this isn't appropriate. But the Pattern is a construct; the rules of reality are the rules of the Pattern, and it is the Pattern that Flora was using to move around and to change things.
Now Flora was able to save some of her friends - frex Foucault (http://www.nyrsf.com/2012/07/suspended- ... acs-1.html) but the loss of the rest would be traumatic.

This might also explain why Ganelon betrays Corwin in Avalon; rather than killing Ganelon, it destroys his life.

Now, if this is the norm - any time an Amberite truly cares about someone, they collect 6pts of Bad Stuff and die/turn traitor - it would explain why Amberites don't care about anyone: doing so is painful for the Amberite and usually fatal for the Shadowdweller.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:21 pm 
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I don't see why non-amberites cannot improve their stats, given time, challenge, and experience. I think that's where this notion falls down.
Indeed, an 'average' human has human stats by their very nature, the rules do point out that the top levels of human performance equate to Chaos level (-10 point) ranks, which implies their ability can increase (at least from -100 to -40, which is an impressive accomplishment in and of itself)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:06 am 
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Alyor wrote:
I don't see why non-amberites cannot improve their stats, given time, challenge, and experience. I think that's where this notion falls down.
Indeed, an 'average' human has human stats by their very nature, the rules do point out that the top levels of human performance equate to Chaos level (-10 point) ranks, which implies their ability can increase (at least from -100 to -40, which is an impressive accomplishment in and of itself)


Because advancement in Amber is 5% of the value of threats overcome; to gain 1 pt requires defeating a 20pt threat, which would inevitably be fatal to a -40+ point character.

And sure, top flight humans are at Chaos in 1 or more Attributes...for a few years, until they degrade back. In other words, they haven't *bought* that improvement, it's just a very specialized form of "Mold Shadow Stuff", and so not paid for.


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